{"id":5754,"date":"2026-10-18T20:29:45","date_gmt":"2026-10-18T20:29:45","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.tomat-pomidor.com\/en\/?p=5754"},"modified":"2026-10-18T20:30:36","modified_gmt":"2026-10-18T20:30:36","slug":"lagenaria-seeds-wont-sprout","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.tomat-pomidor.com\/en\/lagenaria-seeds-wont-sprout\/","title":{"rendered":"Why Lagenaria Seeds Won&#8217;t Sprout \u2014 Switch to Hybrid Rootstocks? | Forum Diary"},"content":{"rendered":"\n\n<div class=\"kk-star-ratings kksr-auto kksr-align-left kksr-valign-top\"\n    data-payload='{&quot;align&quot;:&quot;left&quot;,&quot;id&quot;:&quot;5754&quot;,&quot;slug&quot;:&quot;default&quot;,&quot;valign&quot;:&quot;top&quot;,&quot;ignore&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;reference&quot;:&quot;auto&quot;,&quot;class&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;count&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;legendonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;readonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;score&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;starsonly&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;best&quot;:&quot;5&quot;,&quot;gap&quot;:&quot;5&quot;,&quot;greet&quot;:&quot;Share your rating&quot;,&quot;legend&quot;:&quot;0\\\/5 - (0 votes)&quot;,&quot;size&quot;:&quot;24&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:&quot;Why Lagenaria Seeds Won\\u0026#039;t Sprout \u2014 Switch to Hybrid Rootstocks? | Forum Diary&quot;,&quot;width&quot;:&quot;0&quot;,&quot;_legend&quot;:&quot;{score}\\\/{best} - ({count} {votes})&quot;,&quot;font_factor&quot;:&quot;1.25&quot;}'>\n            \n<div class=\"kksr-stars\">\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-inactive\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"1\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"2\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"3\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"4\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" data-star=\"5\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n    \n<div class=\"kksr-stars-active\" style=\"width: 0px;\">\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n            <div class=\"kksr-star\" style=\"padding-right: 5px\">\n            \n\n<div class=\"kksr-icon\" style=\"width: 24px; height: 24px;\"><\/div>\n        <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<\/div>\n                \n\n<div class=\"kksr-legend\" style=\"font-size: 19.2px;\">\n            <span class=\"kksr-muted\">Share your rating<\/span>\n    <\/div>\n    <\/div>\n<div class=\"tldr-box\" style=\"background: #f4f9f4; padding: 20px; border-left: 5px solid #4CAF50; margin-bottom: 20px; border-radius: 4px;\"><strong>\ud83c\udf45 Quick take:<\/strong> In this continuation of a Northern greenhouse grow diary, growers debate the best rootstocks for grafting watermelons and melons. While many beginners start with the classic Bottle Gourd (<em>Lagenaria<\/em>), experienced growers are switching to professional F1 interspecific squash hybrids like <em>Ferro<\/em>, <em>Cobalt<\/em>, and <em>Root Power<\/em> due to superior vigor and plant health. The thread also covers tips for growing your own <em>Lagenaria<\/em> for saved seeds and agrees that the &#8220;tongue approach&#8221; is the ultimate grafting method for near 100% survival rates.<\/div>\n<p><!-- ===== TABLE OF CONTENTS ===== --><\/p>\n<div class=\"toc-box\" style=\"background: #ffffff; padding: 15px 20px; border: 1px solid #e0e0e0; margin-bottom: 30px; border-radius: 4px;\">\n<p><strong style=\"display: block; margin-bottom: 10px; font-size: 1.1em;\">In this thread:<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul style=\"margin: 0; padding-left: 20px; line-height: 1.6;\">\n<li><a href=\"#lagenaria-seeds\">The Struggle with Lagenaria Germination<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#growing-gourds\">Growing Your Own Gourds for Saved Seeds<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#hybrid-rootstocks\">Switching to Pro Hybrids: Ferro &amp; Cobalt<\/a><\/li>\n<li><a href=\"#tongue-graft\">The Best Grafting Method: The Tongue Approach<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n<h2 id=\"lagenaria-seeds\">The Struggle with Lagenaria Germination<\/h2>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">G<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">gala7496 (Galina) <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (2,477 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd St. Petersburg, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 13, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>I gave up on using <em>Lagenaria<\/em> because of its terrible germination rates.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">P<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">PomiTa (Tatyana) <span class=\"author-stats\">\ud83c\udf45 Member (833 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd St. Petersburg, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 13, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>Galya, it does sprout! Almost at 100%! Out of 5 packs, I only had 2 or 3 seeds fail.<\/p>\n<p>But you really have to baby them: soak the <em>Lagenaria<\/em> seeds in hot water, then keep them on a warm radiator for 24 hours before burying them in the soil. They will sprout, but very unevenly. That unpredictable behavior drove me crazy, which is why I tried growing my own <em>Lagenaria<\/em> gourd this year to harvest fresh seeds. I haven&#8217;t cracked it open yet, so I don&#8217;t know what&#8217;s inside.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tomat-pomidor.com\/uploads\/monthly_2021_12\/796EAB3B-EE65-4F94-8D49-2AD88A121704.jpeg.15888cdaadd845c67b4b3beb4dcc669a.jpeg\" alt=\"Homegrown Lagenaria gourd for rootstock seeds\" \/><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2 id=\"growing-gourds\">Growing Your Own Gourds for Saved Seeds<\/h2>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">M<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Mariya Suvorova <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (10,588 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd Tver Region, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<blockquote><p><strong>On 12\/13\/2021 at 10:11 PM, gala7496 said:<\/strong><br \/>\nI gave up on using <em>Lagenaria<\/em> because of its terrible germination rates.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>You just need to grow it out yourself once. Then you will have your own fresh seeds with excellent germination, and they will last you a long time. You can plant it right alongside your pumpkins (at the same time and in the same spot).<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">R<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Roz (Roza) <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (1,338 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>I have been trying to grow it for two years now, but alas, I just get endless vines. It flowers, sets fruit, and then the tiny gourd just falls off. I tried putting it in the greenhouse this year, but got the exact same result. I don&#8217;t understand what I am doing wrong.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">P<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">PomiTa (Tatyana) <span class=\"author-stats\">\ud83c\udf45 Member (833 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd St. Petersburg, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>Last year, my outdoor <em>Lagenaria<\/em> failed too. I grew it on a compost pile right next to the zucchinis. It just didn&#8217;t have enough time to ripen. Up here in St. Pete, that is totally normal.<\/p>\n<p>This year I put it inside the greenhouse. I tried to prune it aggressively, removing most of the side shoots. But the <em>Lagenaria<\/em> still spidered out at an insane speed. It even managed to completely choke out a melon growing next to it.<\/p>\n<p>Also, as soon as you see a fruit starting to size up quickly, it is best to leave just one, maximum two on the vine. Pinch off all the others immediately. It is much better for the plant to push all its energy into ripening that one single gourd (it will have a ton of seeds inside) rather than wasting energy trying to form a bunch of new ones&#8230;<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2 id=\"hybrid-rootstocks\">Switching to Pro Hybrids: Ferro &amp; Cobalt<\/h2>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">M<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Mariya Suvorova <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (10,588 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd Tver Region, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>My <em>Speckled Swan<\/em> <a href=\"#term-anchor1\">*<\/a> gourds never ripened their seeds properly, but the standard bottle-shaped ones (like in the photo) produced great seeds.<\/p>\n<p>For my own watermelon grafts, I decided to switch over to <em>Ferro<\/em> and <em>Cobalt<\/em>, and I am going to try <em>Root Power<\/em> too. I also picked up some new ones from Greenomica. The plants grafted onto <em>Lagenaria<\/em> just end up a bit weaker for me. Well, maybe I&#8217;ll graft a couple onto Laga again this year just to confirm beyond a doubt that I need to move fully to professional rootstocks.<\/p>\n<p>By the way, I also grow <em>Ferro<\/em> separately on its own just like a squash&#8211;the fruits are actually very tasty, sweet, and store incredibly well.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/www.tomat-pomidor.com\/uploads\/monthly_2021_12\/773663247_.jpg.0cf2eb3cd4a0a0373c3e567d42b25f70.jpg\" alt=\"Bottle Lagenaria seeds\" \/><\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">P<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">PomiTa (Tatyana) <span class=\"author-stats\">\ud83c\udf45 Member (833 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd St. Petersburg, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>I really loved how my watermelons did on <em>Root Power<\/em> this year. I used all my <em>Cobalt<\/em> rootstocks for melons, people say they pair really well together \u263a\ufe0f<\/p>\n<p>Last year, all 11 of my watermelons were on <em>Lagenaria<\/em>, and only one was on <em>Ferro<\/em>. The difference was obvious! The Laga vines were flimsier, and the fruits didn&#8217;t pack on as much weight, all ending up around 9-11 lbs (4-5 kg). But <em>Ferro<\/em> is a monster. My only complaint was that the watermelon on it set fruit at a height of about 16 feet (5 m), and I got tired of coiling the vine into loops right under the ceiling. But that is probably more about the watermelon variety than the rootstock itself.<\/p>\n<p>This year I only used pro rootstocks and ditched <em>Lagenaria<\/em> completely.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">R<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Roz (Roza) <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (1,338 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<blockquote><p><strong>On 12\/14\/2021 at 8:32 AM, Mariya Suvorova said:<\/strong><br \/>\nBy the way, I also grow Ferro separately on its own just like a squash&#8230;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Does that mean I can just grow out <em>Ferro<\/em> and save my own seeds for grafting later?<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">M<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Mariya Suvorova <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (10,588 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd Tver Region, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>Alas, it doesn&#8217;t set viable seeds <a href=\"#term-anchor3\">*<\/a>.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<h2 id=\"tongue-graft\">The Best Grafting Method: The Tongue Approach<\/h2>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">P<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">PomiTa (Tatyana) <span class=\"author-stats\">\ud83c\udf45 Member (833 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd St. Petersburg, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>Masha, what grafting method do you use? For watermelons and melons, only the tongue graft <a href=\"#term-anchor2\">*<\/a> works well for me. True, the graft union doesn&#8217;t look very aesthetic, but the survival rate is almost 100%.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"forum-post\">\n<div class=\"author-header\">\n<div class=\"forum-avatar\">M<\/div>\n<div class=\"author-meta\">\n<div class=\"author-name\">Mariya Suvorova <span class=\"author-stats\">\u2b50 Pro Grower (10,588 posts)<\/span><\/div>\n<div class=\"author-geo\">\ud83d\udccd Tver Region, Russia (USDA Zone 4)<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-date\" style=\"font-size: 0.85em; color: #777; margin-top: 3px;\">\ud83d\udcc5 Posted December 14, 2021<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<div class=\"post-content\">\n<p>Tanya, I only use the tongue approach graft too. Whenever I tried other methods, either the survival rate was worse, or the plants started developing much later.<\/p>\n<\/div>\n<\/div>\n<p><!-- EDITOR'S NOTE --><\/p>\n<div class=\"editor-note\" style=\"background: #eef7ff; padding: 15px; border-left: 4px solid #2196F3; margin-top: 15px; font-size: 1em;\">\n<p><strong>\ud83d\udc68\u200d\ud83c\udf3e Editor&#8217;s Notes<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul style=\"margin-bottom: 0;\">\n<li id=\"term-anchor1\"><strong>Speckled Swan:<\/strong> A popular ornamental heirloom variety of <em>Lagenaria siceraria<\/em> in Eastern Europe, known for its distinct shape resembling a swan. However, because it requires a very long, hot season to fully mature its thick shell, growers in cold climates struggle to harvest viable seeds from it before frost hits.<\/li>\n<li id=\"term-anchor2\"><strong>Tongue Graft (Approach Grafting):<\/strong> Also known as splicing or inarching. In this method, the grower cuts an upward slit in the rootstock stem and a downward slit in the scion stem, locking the two &#8220;tongues&#8221; together while both plants remain attached to their own root systems. Once the graft union heals, the scion&#8217;s original root system is severed. This is widely considered the most foolproof method for beginners.<\/li>\n<li id=\"term-anchor3\"><strong>Saving Pro Hybrid Seeds:<\/strong> Commercial rootstocks like <em>Ferro<\/em> and <em>Cobalt<\/em> are F1 interspecific squash hybrids (usually a cross between <em>Cucurbita maxima<\/em> and <em>Cucurbita moschata<\/em>). Because of this complex crossing, the resulting plants are often sterile or fail to produce viable, true-to-type seeds, forcing growers to purchase fresh professional seeds every year.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>\ud83c\udf45 Quick take: In this continuation of a Northern greenhouse grow diary, growers debate the best rootstocks for grafting watermelons and melons. 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